Comments on: If PLEs are incompatible with the system then how do we change the system? http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/ Pontydysgu - Educational Research Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:43:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Media Literacy: Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media by George Siemens - Dec 13 08 Robin Good’s Latest News BookMark http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-13612 Media Literacy: Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media by George Siemens - Dec 13 08 Robin Good’s Latest News BookMark Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:42:05 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-13612 [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...] [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...]

]]> By: If PLEs are incompatible with the system then how do we change the system? « ThisGlobe.com http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-13008 If PLEs are incompatible with the system then how do we change the system? « ThisGlobe.com Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:46:28 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-13008 [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...] [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...]

]]> By: PLEs - antithetical to the current education system? « CCK08 - Viplav Baxi http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-12962 PLEs - antithetical to the current education system? « CCK08 - Viplav Baxi Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:12:50 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-12962 [...] | Tags: CCK08, connectivism, PLEs I read a series of contributions by Stephen, George, Pontydysgu, Attwell, and reviewed PLE diagrams and Wiki entries. George makes the point that PLEs are [...] [...] | Tags: CCK08, connectivism, PLEs I read a series of contributions by Stephen, George, Pontydysgu, Attwell, and reviewed PLE diagrams and Wiki entries. George makes the point that PLEs are [...]

]]> By: ThisGlobe.com » Blog Archive » If PLEs are incompatible with the system then how do we change the system? http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-12961 ThisGlobe.com » Blog Archive » If PLEs are incompatible with the system then how do we change the system? Sun, 14 Dec 2008 01:06:04 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-12961 [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...] [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...]

]]> By: Media Literacy: Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media by George Siemens - Dec 13 08 | Write a Blog Site http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-12933 Media Literacy: Making Sense Of New Technologies And Media by George Siemens - Dec 13 08 | Write a Blog Site Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:50:33 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-12933 [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...] [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...]

]]> By: Vernetztes Lernen | eduFutureBlog http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-12932 Vernetztes Lernen | eduFutureBlog Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:47:29 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-12932 [...] Die Frage ist also: Wie ändert man das zugrundeliegende Bildungssystem? Vielleicht, wie Graham Attwell argumentiert, einfach, indem man informelles und soziales Lernen [...] [...] Die Frage ist also: Wie ändert man das zugrundeliegende Bildungssystem? Vielleicht, wie Graham Attwell argumentiert, einfach, indem man informelles und soziales Lernen [...]

]]> By: Ken Carroll » Blog Archive » Power structures http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-12931 Ken Carroll » Blog Archive » Power structures Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:21:48 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-12931 [...] discussion this week on this George Siemens article. (Graham Attwell, Stephen Downes.) He asks if the power structures in our education system are willing to fully [...] [...] discussion this week on this George Siemens article. (Graham Attwell, Stephen Downes.) He asks if the power structures in our education system are willing to fully [...]

]]> By: If PLEs are incompatible with the system then how do we change the system? - elearnspace http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-12903 If PLEs are incompatible with the system then how do we change the system? - elearnspace Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:14:13 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-12903 [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...] [...] necessary, especially when the system is not meeting the needs of the intended audience. As Graham Atwell notes: It is not just a question that curricula cannot keep pace with the speed of technological and [...]

]]> By: Martin Owen http://www.pontydysgu.org/2008/12/if-ples-are-incompatible-with-the-system-then-how-do-we-change-the-system/comment-page-1/#comment-12834 Martin Owen Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:18:40 +0000 http://www.pontydysgu.org/?p=1012#comment-12834 Hmmm - different to both. Would that LMS systems were that popular. Realistically most university teachers ignore them. That is because most University teaching is still organised on pre-capitalist modes of production: the lone lecturer at the lectern. To operate an effective LMS you need to use Fordist methods of production of teaching which only open universities have really embraced. Universities do not bare any rational examination -they are the products of a complex and convoluted history - they are prime candidates for business process re-engineering. When such a process will have happened the even greater contradictions will be apparent and they may go the way of Chrysler, GM, Ford...... Hmmm – different to both. Would that LMS systems were that popular. Realistically most university teachers ignore them. That is because most University teaching is still organised on pre-capitalist modes of production: the lone lecturer at the lectern. To operate an effective LMS you need to use Fordist methods of production of teaching which only open universities have really embraced.

Universities do not bare any rational examination -they are the products of a complex and convoluted history – they are prime candidates for business process re-engineering. When such a process will have happened the even greater contradictions will be apparent and they may go the way of Chrysler, GM, Ford……

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