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	<title>Comments on: Facebook scams reveal a different discourse around social networking providers</title>
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		<title>By: Nick Sharratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Sharratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t news to me and is one aspect of a much broader &#039;threat matrix&#039; that I tried to allude to quickly in the few minutes allowed at the ALT-C #vle is dead debate. 

The Internet at large is a very very dangerous place, and while learners will willfully expose themselves to such threats, there is real risk in an institution promoting the use of such tools without due regard as it gives tacit approval for them as &#039;safe havens&#039; which they are far from being. 

I believe schools etc have a vital role in helping to educate students to the very real threats on the Internet, but they also need to provide a learning environment which is relatively safe while students gain those skills at least. I would go further and suggest all official systems promoted by an institution need to be &#039;safe&#039; even if students have been educated to the risks as being wary of the tools is a sure way to distract concentration from learning. There are also significant costs to an institution to validate 3rd party tools and their providers and forming suitable legal agreements with those providers and failing to do so is abdicating responsibility for the well being of our learners. 

It will be interesting to explore this and other issues again in Dec for #vleundead :)</description>
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<p>The Internet at large is a very very dangerous place, and while learners will willfully expose themselves to such threats, there is real risk in an institution promoting the use of such tools without due regard as it gives tacit approval for them as &#8216;safe havens&#8217; which they are far from being. </p>
<p>I believe schools etc have a vital role in helping to educate students to the very real threats on the Internet, but they also need to provide a learning environment which is relatively safe while students gain those skills at least. I would go further and suggest all official systems promoted by an institution need to be &#8216;safe&#8217; even if students have been educated to the risks as being wary of the tools is a sure way to distract concentration from learning. There are also significant costs to an institution to validate 3rd party tools and their providers and forming suitable legal agreements with those providers and failing to do so is abdicating responsibility for the well being of our learners. </p>
<p>It will be interesting to explore this and other issues again in Dec for #vleundead <img src='http://www.pontydysgu.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Blogging - Pontydysgu – Bridge to Learning » Blog Archive » Facebook scams &#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: George Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In light of Will Hutton&#039;s article in today&#039;s Indy, which I blogged about here, http://rworld2.brookesblogs.net/2009/11/08/call-it-wealth-extraction-excessive-economic-rent-whatever-make-no-mistake-we-pay-the-bonuses/ And, another recent post on comment spam, I have to ask if this is any surprise? This is why I am interested in the &quot;beliefs and ideologies embedded in the artefacts of learning technology&quot;. There are good people and good platforms. I haven&#039;t lost faith in Automattic, makers of WordPress. Twitter has held up for me, so far. Facebook was, imo, tainted from the beginning; just look at the principals behind Zuckerberg: the Founders Fund, Accel, Microsoft; and look at the Board: Jim Breyer, Pete Thiel. Man, you do not get more rapacious than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In light of Will Hutton&#8217;s article in today&#8217;s Indy, which I blogged about here, <a href="http://rworld2.brookesblogs.net/2009/11/08/call-it-wealth-extraction-excessive-economic-rent-whatever-make-no-mistake-we-pay-the-bonuses/" rel="nofollow">http://rworld2.brookesblogs.net/2009/11/08/call-it-wealth-extraction-excessive-economic-rent-whatever-make-no-mistake-we-pay-the-bonuses/</a> And, another recent post on comment spam, I have to ask if this is any surprise? This is why I am interested in the &#8220;beliefs and ideologies embedded in the artefacts of learning technology&#8221;. There are good people and good platforms. I haven&#8217;t lost faith in Automattic, makers of WordPress. Twitter has held up for me, so far. Facebook was, imo, tainted from the beginning; just look at the principals behind Zuckerberg: the Founders Fund, Accel, Microsoft; and look at the Board: Jim Breyer, Pete Thiel. Man, you do not get more rapacious than that.</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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This post was mentioned on Twitter by GrahamAttwell: New blog post - educational discourse and the discourses of the social network developers providers - http://is.gd/4Q1yk...</description>
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