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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>This post was mentioned on Twitter by GrahamAttwell: Kids want there access to Facebook restricted &#8211; new blog post &#8211; <a href="http://is.gd/4K3O3" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4K3O3</a> &#8230; see previous post for open Google wave version&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Debby Cotton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debby Cotton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading this post and the comments, as it&#039;s an issue I&#039;m very interested in. Having done some research on online distractions in the learning environment, very little here surprises me, and I think it&#039;s great that this is being recognised as a problem. The conclusion I came to was similar to those expressed here - namely that pupils/ students need to be taught how to create an effective learning environment, and that this is something that they may find difficult (that actually we adults find difficult too! How many times do you switch back and forth between e-mail and twitter during the day? Yet, if I have an academic paper to write, I deliberately turn these off...) I also think that to some extent, we need to maintain boundaries between work and social activities - both to ensure that some work gets done, but also to maintain some non-work time (as an academic this is also something many of us find difficult - hence writing this on a Sunday evening sat on the sofa with husband and eldest child!) But I do think this is another skill which children would benefit from developing when young. The fact that children find the immersion in an online network problematic even at home (they feel that they&#039;re on facebook too much in general) also seems to me to suggest an issue with drawing boundaries - which is something that parents could help with if they only understood what it was that their children were doing online!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading this post and the comments, as it&#8217;s an issue I&#8217;m very interested in. Having done some research on online distractions in the learning environment, very little here surprises me, and I think it&#8217;s great that this is being recognised as a problem. The conclusion I came to was similar to those expressed here &#8211; namely that pupils/ students need to be taught how to create an effective learning environment, and that this is something that they may find difficult (that actually we adults find difficult too! How many times do you switch back and forth between e-mail and twitter during the day? Yet, if I have an academic paper to write, I deliberately turn these off&#8230;) I also think that to some extent, we need to maintain boundaries between work and social activities &#8211; both to ensure that some work gets done, but also to maintain some non-work time (as an academic this is also something many of us find difficult &#8211; hence writing this on a Sunday evening sat on the sofa with husband and eldest child!) But I do think this is another skill which children would benefit from developing when young. The fact that children find the immersion in an online network problematic even at home (they feel that they&#8217;re on facebook too much in general) also seems to me to suggest an issue with drawing boundaries &#8211; which is something that parents could help with if they only understood what it was that their children were doing online!</p>
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		<title>By: Cristina Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristina Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s exactly what I wanted to express Wendy. You really said it all. 
I believe that it is about mentoring about digital literacy in a way that it is embedded in one&#039;s practice and is not learning digital literacy for the sake of learning it... not sure if this is clear, but it is like the teacher you described is doing.  

Meaning learning happens in practice, like you say. So it is our role, as educators to inspire new practices and help our students reflect about the reasons while we are doing so. 
Kids know how to use computers, connect to the internet, create accounts in Social Network Sites, but that doesn&#039;t necessarily  mean they know how to use the web for learning. That is a totally different game. And the way forward is to guide them in effective practices. Engaging them in learning activities related to what they have to learn in class, in which they have to use the web to effectively achieve the challenges the teachers put forward seems to be a way forward.

Thanks for sharing ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly what I wanted to express Wendy. You really said it all.<br />
I believe that it is about mentoring about digital literacy in a way that it is embedded in one&#8217;s practice and is not learning digital literacy for the sake of learning it&#8230; not sure if this is clear, but it is like the teacher you described is doing.  </p>
<p>Meaning learning happens in practice, like you say. So it is our role, as educators to inspire new practices and help our students reflect about the reasons while we are doing so.<br />
Kids know how to use computers, connect to the internet, create accounts in Social Network Sites, but that doesn&#8217;t necessarily  mean they know how to use the web for learning. That is a totally different game. And the way forward is to guide them in effective practices. Engaging them in learning activities related to what they have to learn in class, in which they have to use the web to effectively achieve the challenges the teachers put forward seems to be a way forward.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing <img src='http://www.pontydysgu.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mariana Affronti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariana Affronti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hola a todos:
Soy de Argentina, mi lengua materna es español, así opinaré usando los dos idiomas.
De un modo revolucionario las innovaciones tecnológicas cambian la realidad y abren nuevas perspectivas. Las palabras claves serían:evolución, reacomodación, adaptación, conocimiento, creatividad, innovación, sabiduría, entre otros...

“El saber en la actualidad se extrae de un individuo en permanente circulación” (Deleuze)

Entonces, Si la idea es usar medios nuevos con una mentalidad antigua, seguiremos sin aprovechar la enorme cantidad de herramientas tecnológicas que tenemos a nuestra disposición.
¿Por qué muchas veces el aula y el mundo real no se parecen en nada? ¿Por qué muchos de nuestros alumnos usan las Ntics para comunicarse entre ellos y no para aprender?
Siendo que uno de los pilares de la educación es la comunicación ¿No es extraño que suceda esto?
Aprender es construir conocimiento. La tecnología actual permite comunicar, gestionarlo de una manera antes impensada.

Gracias por pensar conmigo
Mariana

Hello everyone, 
I&#039;m from Argentina, my native language is Spanish, so opinaré using both languages. 
In a revolutionary way technological innovations change the reality and new perspectives. The key words are: development, rearrangement, adaptation, knowledge, creativity, innovation, wisdom, among others ... 

&quot;Knowledge today is extracted from an individual in constant movement&quot; (Deleuze) 

Then, if the idea is to use new media with an old mentality, we will not use the enormous amount of technological tools at our disposal. 
Why often the classroom and the real world do not look like anything? Why do so many of our students use ICTs to communicate among themselves and not to learn? 
Being one of the pillars of education is communication is not that strange to happen? 
Learning is constructing knowledge. Current technology allows to communicate, manage it in a way previously unthinkable. 

Thank you for considering me 
Mariana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hola a todos:<br />
Soy de Argentina, mi lengua materna es español, así opinaré usando los dos idiomas.<br />
De un modo revolucionario las innovaciones tecnológicas cambian la realidad y abren nuevas perspectivas. Las palabras claves serían:evolución, reacomodación, adaptación, conocimiento, creatividad, innovación, sabiduría, entre otros&#8230;</p>
<p>“El saber en la actualidad se extrae de un individuo en permanente circulación” (Deleuze)</p>
<p>Entonces, Si la idea es usar medios nuevos con una mentalidad antigua, seguiremos sin aprovechar la enorme cantidad de herramientas tecnológicas que tenemos a nuestra disposición.<br />
¿Por qué muchas veces el aula y el mundo real no se parecen en nada? ¿Por qué muchos de nuestros alumnos usan las Ntics para comunicarse entre ellos y no para aprender?<br />
Siendo que uno de los pilares de la educación es la comunicación ¿No es extraño que suceda esto?<br />
Aprender es construir conocimiento. La tecnología actual permite comunicar, gestionarlo de una manera antes impensada.</p>
<p>Gracias por pensar conmigo<br />
Mariana</p>
<p>Hello everyone,<br />
I&#8217;m from Argentina, my native language is Spanish, so opinaré using both languages.<br />
In a revolutionary way technological innovations change the reality and new perspectives. The key words are: development, rearrangement, adaptation, knowledge, creativity, innovation, wisdom, among others &#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;Knowledge today is extracted from an individual in constant movement&#8221; (Deleuze) </p>
<p>Then, if the idea is to use new media with an old mentality, we will not use the enormous amount of technological tools at our disposal.<br />
Why often the classroom and the real world do not look like anything? Why do so many of our students use ICTs to communicate among themselves and not to learn?<br />
Being one of the pillars of education is communication is not that strange to happen?<br />
Learning is constructing knowledge. Current technology allows to communicate, manage it in a way previously unthinkable. </p>
<p>Thank you for considering me<br />
Mariana</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Drexler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Drexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great timing on this post.  I just finished up interviews this week with 7th graders constructing personal learning environments in their life science class.  They have full access to FB, IM, and email as part of this project.  When asked what the biggest online distractions are when using the Internet outside of class, nearly all respond FB or instant messaging.  However, this teacher does something interesting at the start of each class.  The students have 10 minutes (out of a 100-minute class) when they arrive to take care of personal business.  This includes email and IM.  He asks that students not access their FB accounts from school explaining that since they&#039;re not using it for learning, it&#039;s something you should wait to do from home or between classes on your phone.  This is part of teaching students that there are appropriate times and places for personal business.  He actively discusses this with the students during each class.  Getting the email and IM out of the way leaves them free to focus the rest of the class period on work.  Amazingly, this is what they do...work.  The kids also know they are unique from other students at the school and their behavior will dictate whether this type of learning continues.  As you point out, we must actively teach students how to manage their time online, how to be digitally literate.  From my experience, it&#039;s not as much about &quot;how&quot; as it is about just doing it.  My experience has been that kids will work within expectations 99% of the time.  The biggest problem is that we&#039;re using filters in lieu of instruction.  Teachers must articulate expectations and provide ongoing support and guidance.  This is missing from the curriculum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great timing on this post.  I just finished up interviews this week with 7th graders constructing personal learning environments in their life science class.  They have full access to FB, IM, and email as part of this project.  When asked what the biggest online distractions are when using the Internet outside of class, nearly all respond FB or instant messaging.  However, this teacher does something interesting at the start of each class.  The students have 10 minutes (out of a 100-minute class) when they arrive to take care of personal business.  This includes email and IM.  He asks that students not access their FB accounts from school explaining that since they&#8217;re not using it for learning, it&#8217;s something you should wait to do from home or between classes on your phone.  This is part of teaching students that there are appropriate times and places for personal business.  He actively discusses this with the students during each class.  Getting the email and IM out of the way leaves them free to focus the rest of the class period on work.  Amazingly, this is what they do&#8230;work.  The kids also know they are unique from other students at the school and their behavior will dictate whether this type of learning continues.  As you point out, we must actively teach students how to manage their time online, how to be digitally literate.  From my experience, it&#8217;s not as much about &#8220;how&#8221; as it is about just doing it.  My experience has been that kids will work within expectations 99% of the time.  The biggest problem is that we&#8217;re using filters in lieu of instruction.  Teachers must articulate expectations and provide ongoing support and guidance.  This is missing from the curriculum.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristina Costa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristina Costa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I can see the wave, but I can not surf on it. Probbaly already exercising the power of restricting? ;-) my feeling is that this happens because I do not belong to the wave.
So here are my thoughts. 
What I have witnessed - and that is even with HE students - is that just because you have access to the tools it doesn&#039;t mean you know how to do with it. And there is much more to it than pushing buttons, which in many cases is still what happens when it comes to ICT training provision. 

We need to help individuals (and I am not only going to focus on your target group: pupils, but learners in general) in using these tools to their on learning advantage. And again the role of learning technologist and the educators in general becomes crucial. We are not to be replaced, but our role is to change. We have a critical role in instigating critical thinking and practice,  encouraging collaboration and mentoring our learners abouts effective ways in which the web can be used to learn, foster their own personal learning networks and develop a reputable identity.  

These days everyone is using the web. Some use it as a reference book (just another way of accessing information), some use it to connect to their friends, but only few are using it as a new context to learning, where knowledge can be develops socially, informally and in community. 
As danah boyd refers in her phd research youth uses Social Networks Sites to socialise, not to network! That is the area we need to taccle... how to foster networked and communal learning effectively. There is a lot to be done there. First we need to prepare our educators so the can prepare the learners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I can see the wave, but I can not surf on it. Probbaly already exercising the power of restricting? <img src='http://www.pontydysgu.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  my feeling is that this happens because I do not belong to the wave.<br />
So here are my thoughts.<br />
What I have witnessed &#8211; and that is even with HE students &#8211; is that just because you have access to the tools it doesn&#8217;t mean you know how to do with it. And there is much more to it than pushing buttons, which in many cases is still what happens when it comes to ICT training provision. </p>
<p>We need to help individuals (and I am not only going to focus on your target group: pupils, but learners in general) in using these tools to their on learning advantage. And again the role of learning technologist and the educators in general becomes crucial. We are not to be replaced, but our role is to change. We have a critical role in instigating critical thinking and practice,  encouraging collaboration and mentoring our learners abouts effective ways in which the web can be used to learn, foster their own personal learning networks and develop a reputable identity.  </p>
<p>These days everyone is using the web. Some use it as a reference book (just another way of accessing information), some use it to connect to their friends, but only few are using it as a new context to learning, where knowledge can be develops socially, informally and in community.<br />
As danah boyd refers in her phd research youth uses Social Networks Sites to socialise, not to network! That is the area we need to taccle&#8230; how to foster networked and communal learning effectively. There is a lot to be done there. First we need to prepare our educators so the can prepare the learners.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Sharratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Sharratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem entirely reasonable to assume children need to be guided in their use of powerful tools as they are also educated in their use.  The important thing is not to prevent any access to allow the learning of self moderation skills. 

Humans are naturally a gregarious species, and social interaction is incredibly seductive and absorbing such that we all need to be able to self moderate. With the web, our tribes have effectively exploded in size and our inherent drive to form and maintain the social links that are the necessary cohesive force to sustain those tribes can go into melt down, with a feeling that we need to socially stroke so many people that it is impossible to sustain. 

Is this something that can be taught or does it have to be learned?  Do we need to guide youngsters through early experiences of &#039;social web overload&#039; to embed the problems viccerally by experiencing the problems themselves, or can most people be advised of the issues and coping strategies to avoid having to experience it themselves?

Is it even something any of us really learn or do we just repeatedly bounce off the limits of our own abilities to maintain extended social networks?  Eg building larger networks until we reach a point of overload and then back off to a &#039;core&#039; network before repeating again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem entirely reasonable to assume children need to be guided in their use of powerful tools as they are also educated in their use.  The important thing is not to prevent any access to allow the learning of self moderation skills. </p>
<p>Humans are naturally a gregarious species, and social interaction is incredibly seductive and absorbing such that we all need to be able to self moderate. With the web, our tribes have effectively exploded in size and our inherent drive to form and maintain the social links that are the necessary cohesive force to sustain those tribes can go into melt down, with a feeling that we need to socially stroke so many people that it is impossible to sustain. </p>
<p>Is this something that can be taught or does it have to be learned?  Do we need to guide youngsters through early experiences of &#8216;social web overload&#8217; to embed the problems viccerally by experiencing the problems themselves, or can most people be advised of the issues and coping strategies to avoid having to experience it themselves?</p>
<p>Is it even something any of us really learn or do we just repeatedly bounce off the limits of our own abilities to maintain extended social networks?  Eg building larger networks until we reach a point of overload and then back off to a &#8216;core&#8217; network before repeating again?</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Pontydysgu – Bridge to Learning » Blog Archive » Kisd don’t trust themselves to have unlimited Facebook access (non Wave version) -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention Pontydysgu – Bridge to Learning » Blog Archive » Kisd don’t trust themselves to have unlimited Facebook access (non Wave version) -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Downes, Graham Attwell. Graham Attwell said: Kids want there access to Facebook restricted - new blog post - http://is.gd/4K3O3 ... see previous post for open Google wave version [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Downes, Graham Attwell. Graham Attwell said: Kids want there access to Facebook restricted &#8211; new blog post &#8211; <a href="http://is.gd/4K3O3" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/4K3O3</a> &#8230; see previous post for open Google wave version [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Graham Attwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham Attwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree Stephen - have been messing with plug in and had hoped it would display for all - anyone any idea if this possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree Stephen &#8211; have been messing with plug in and had hoped it would display for all &#8211; anyone any idea if this possible?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, posts that won&#039;t display unless you have a Wave account do NOT strike me as a step forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, posts that won&#8217;t display unless you have a Wave account do NOT strike me as a step forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Downes (Downes)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Downes (Downes)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 11:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: http://bit.ly/1cNeH9 Posts you can see only if you have Wave are NOT a step forward. Can anyone who is not Google search Wave content?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: <a href="http://bit.ly/1cNeH9" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/1cNeH9</a> Posts you can see only if you have Wave are NOT a step forward. Can anyone who is not Google search Wave content?</p>
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